Materijalizam vs idealizam

[ivan]

Nasao sam na netu jedan simpatican post o tome, evo ga u izvornom obliku:

We know this much:


LP player = cheats, has bad breath, dandruff, and possibly crooked teeth
Double inverted player = angelic, pure as the driven snow

Anti/Short pips player = no one is passionate enough to discuss these guys so back to LP vs. inverted



LP player = uses an $8 chinese LP sheet, the extravagant ones will buy Euro/Jap sheets costing up to $45 in the mistaken belief these are somehow better

Inverted player = spends thousands in the never ending search for the Holy Grail (the perfect rubber + blade combination) not to mention thousands more on coaching



LP player = no skills, but somehow deviously gets the ball back on the table

Inverted player = has a deep understanding of multiple scientific and mathematical disciplines necessary to understand throw angles, dwell time, degrees of hardness, grippyness, tackiness, flex, stiffness, proper percentage and combinations of various species of woods and exotic materials such as carbon, fiberglass, aluminum, titanium, uranium, diamonds, hardness, softness, impact of pore size on a sponge, how much of the top sheet and/or sponge to engage on a specific shot, click sound, ad nauseum. All of this knowledge is combined with intense training and a fitness regimen to craft a stroke that will get the ball back on the table sometimes




LP player = no power, at times prays for a strong tail wind such that the ball will make it over the net

Inverted player = hits with a speed that it is not visible to the naked eye or with spin such that it bounces out of the playing hall after contacting the opponent’s racket or preferably, a combination of both.



LP player = if he wins, he is accused of using modified equipment

Inverted player = if he wins, well, that is the normal order of the universe as it’s due to an exhibition of athletic prowess. Never mind that there are numerous open discussions on table tennis forums on what and how many layers of non-VOC emitting materials to apply to various inverted rubbers to increase speed and spin (i.e., modify their equipment to extract more rpms and speed from their equipment.)

[Jovan]

Zanimljivo glediste...
Da nas to Ivan ne vrbuje da predjemo na "materijalizam"?

[ivan]

ovo je ocigledno pisao neki travaros iznerviran generalnim stavom spinera o travarosima.

[Jovan]

Najverovatnije da je tako. Mada, ima malo istine u pojedinim stavovima, ili barem materijala za razmisljanje. Meni je delovalo zabavno.

[Vladojica]

Evo i ja da dodam nesto simpaticno, a takodje kopi-pejstovano:

THE RETURN OF FRICTIONLESS RUBBER?

By Brian Halliday

At the forthcoming meeting of the Board of Directors of the ITTF at the World Team Championships in Moscow during May, the Swedish Association is to make a proposal that could lead to a reversal of the ban on Frictionless rubber. I quote the rationale behind the proposal in full.

“The decision to ban the pimples without friction has led to a lot of problems in table tennis without gaining any positive effect. The use of frictionless pimples created a new playing style where defence close to the table was made possible. To ban the frictionless pimples instead of learning how to play against them seems to be the easiest way to meet something new and it definitely stops development. The development of new technique/rubbers/blades from time to time gives life to table tennis and creates interest.
Here are some of the problems which the ban has created:
- The friction limit is not possible to control in an objective way. Arbitrariness rules.
- The ban has caused conflicts between players and between players and officials.
- the ban led to widespread cheating against the rules. Players bring down friction with different methods and the players who do not, have lost the joy in playing or even stopped entirely to play.
- The ban has led to big problems for players, sellers and producers when rubber sheets repeatedly have been banned with very short notice and without explanation.”
I support the Swedish proposal. I believe that they have made a good case for the reinstatement of this rubber. There is little doubt that the ban was totally unnecessary in the first place. The main reason given at the time by no less a person on the Board of Directors than Ebby Scholer, was that frictionless rubber was stopping youngsters from taking up the game. I really could see no evidence for this whatsoever. Now it may be the case in Germany but it certainly was not the case in England.
Let us talk very plainly. The ban was the result of commercial interests overcoming the interests of players who were using this rubber on a worldwide scale. The Board of Directors have a lot to answer for because of possible vested interests. They introduced a ban and were able to persuade countries to follow their lead. Unfortunately the member countries failed to grasp the ramifications of the decision taken.

Before the ban was imposed I fought long and hard to try to rescind the decision and at the time received backing from the ETTA, who later reversed this and then supported the stance taken by the Board of Directors.
The position is now that players are becoming increasingly vexed about the situation. Certain players are treating their rubbers, with no device available for measuring. Honest players claim it is not fair to stick to the rules while others break them. According to the President of the ITTF, Mr Sharara “only time will tell” about the validity of the ban. Now it has become clear that the ban on frictionless rubbers has been a big mistake.

[djordjestanic]

Bla, bla, bla...

Ko igra sa travom a hoće da sebi smanji probleme sa protivnicima i sudijom uzeće dozvoljenu travu, spržiće je malo i napraviti nedozvoljenu travu a ipak će trava imati dozvoljeno ime.

Biće srećan dok pobeđuje a onda će naleteti na igrače koji redovno igraju protiv takvim materijala i lako će da gubi jer nije navikao da neko koristi mane takvih materijala.

Zato se ja nikada ne bunim kada igram protiv sektaša u Novom Sadu. Moj rezon je jednostavan. Njih uzimam kao trening i parametarc šta mogu da očekujem kada odem negde i naletim na nekog ko koristi iste vradžbine.

Materijalisti sami po sebi nisu opasni protivnici. Dobri igrači sa materijalom su opasni protivnici. Pogledajte veteranske turnire. U polufinalima vrlo često samo jedan igrač igra sa normalnim gumama a ostali imaju neki materijal. Britka, Glavaški, Cvetković... Svi imaju materijale, ali oni su dobri igrači bez obzira na gume, međutim jako dobro koriste prednost što su "neobični" i dok se protivnik navikne šta može a šta ne može već je završen meč.

Sa druge strane čitava grupa igrača jedino što radi je da potura materijal i nada se da će im to doneti pobedu. Neka i donese. Čak i protiv odličnih igrača. Da li su oni pošteno pobedili? Jesu!

Ko je kriv protivnicima što nisu vežbali i upoznali se sa čitavim spektrom mogućnost koji pruža pingić.

[reketas]

Slazem se apsolutno sa tobom Djordje.
Bas zbog te velike razlicitosti , razne kombinatorike i taktike st. tenis je i jako zanimljiv.
Iskreno, ja bih sto cesce voleo da igram protiv igraca koji znaju da igraju i igraju sa sto nezgodnijim materijalima, jer jedino je to nacin da se razume i nauci princip igre te vrste.
Nazalost tek svaki deseti igrac koristi materijal na pravi nacin i svaki deseti igra materijalom.
Bas zbog toga sto se retko srecemo, prednost i iznenadjenje je na njihovoj strani.
Po meni su oni igraci koji su trenirali i naucili stoni tenis da igraju sa cistim gumama pa u jednom trenutku presli na materijal i uvezbali takvu igru ubedljivo najopasniji i najbolji igraci.

[Sale]

Glasam da je idealizam vek ispred materijalizma,dugo sam se plasio materijala ali od skoro taj strah je daleko iza mene.Disciplinovanim idealizmom protiv materijalizma i pobede ce lako dolaziti.Svaka cast idealistima koji se sluze i materijalizmom oni su pa vek ispred cistih idealista.

[Pedja]

PRIZNAJEM,igrao sam travom u zadnje vreme...čak mi ni skor nije loš--4/3...ali me izlečiše...sve što je Djordje napisao 2 posta iznad-stoji...eto,sad mi je lakše,priznao sam!

[djordjestanic]

To što si igrao sa travom uopšte nije loše. To će ti odlično poslužiti da shvatiš šta trava može i kad je opasna a kada je problem odigravanja za samu travu.